Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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Ahh det var en mye bedre kilde. Om Wiggo skulle miste tittelen fra 2012, så blir vel Froome ny vinner da.... For øvrig burde det utarbeides en prosedyre for hvordan man kan bevis noe som ikke har skjedd.
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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06/03/2018 16:15
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Ahh det var en mye bedre kilde. Om Wiggo skulle miste tittelen fra 2012, så blir vel Froome ny vinner da.... For øvrig burde det utarbeides en prosedyre for hvordan man kan bevis noe som ikke har skjedd. Ingenting her i verden som har større troverdighet enn en med dopinganklager mot seg som blånekter og sier han aldri har gjort noe galt...
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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06/03/2018 16:41
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Men vi skal huske at reglene for bruk av corticostereoider er temmelig lax utenfor konkurranse. Slik sett er det venstre fil for de som ikke er med i MPCC og høyre for de som er med, uten at det gjøres noe mer enn å tøye reglene.
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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16/03/2018 07:26
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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02/07/2018 08:11
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You are what you eat...mmm nuts
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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Tråden "proffsesongen 2018" har fått med seg denne, siste kommentar "heia ASO"...
Super X, CAAD12, FATCAAD, Ripley og på exit listen Supersix og 3T Exploro
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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02/07/2018 09:36
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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02/07/2018 09:56
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Tråden "proffsesongen 2018" har fått med seg denne, siste kommentar "heia ASO"... Litt vanskelig å forstå om presset fra ASO hjalp med å få litt fortgang i saken eller om de allerede var informert og spilte for galleriet.
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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02/07/2018 10:04
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Nå kan man jo spørre seg om Johnsrud-Sundby og Ulissi ble "uskyldig" dømt..
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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02/07/2018 21:21
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Ja det er et paradoks. Nuvel. Jeg går og tar en blås.
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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02/07/2018 21:23
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<3  (jeg er også tilbøyelig til å være enig med anonymous13 her)
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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03/07/2018 11:10
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Ikke samme båt. Det er fra den britiske journalisten Matt Slater: Here's an interview with the World Anti-Doping Agency's science director defending their handling of Chris Froome's case. Pretty sure it's a global exclusive as he was about to board a long-haul flight. Given the criticism WADA is getting on social media since the Froome decision broke, I'm surprised this hasn't been picked up. I'll blame the World Cup, the heat wave and my dull intro and post it here to see who wants to read his quotes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has strongly denied that the decision to clear Chris Froome of cheating has left its policy on the asthma drug salbutamol in shreds. Speaking to Press Association Sport, WADA’s science director Dr Oliver Rabin said the case was “not unique” and he did not believe it would lead to a wave of appeals from athletes who have been banned in the past. Earlier on Monday, cycling’s governing body the UCI announced it was not proceeding with an anti-doping case against Froome despite the Team Sky star returning a urine sample at last year’s Vuelta a Espana that contained double the permitted amount of salbutamol. Having always maintained his innocence, the four-time Tour de France champion welcomed the news but many pundits have questioned how WADA’s rules on salbutamol, and other so-called “threshold drugs”, can survive. Asked what impact he thought the case would have, Dr Rabin said: “I may be about to disappoint you, but I do not believe it will have much at all.” Salbutamol is classed as a ‘specified’ drug by WADA, which means it is allowed for therapeutic reasons up to a certain dosage. This is because there is no performance-enhancing effect for asthmatics taking normal amounts of the drug via an inhaler. For salbutamol, the limit is 1,000 nanograms per millilitre (ng/ml) and that has been set so the majority of people, taking no more than 1,600 micrograms a day, or 16 puffs on an adult inhaler, would not fail the test. The word “majority” is crucial as Dr Rabin acknowledges WADA “is well aware of salbutamol’s variability” – in other words, not everyone processes it in the same way and some process it differently some of the time. “That is why an adverse finding only opens the door to further study – it’s not an automatic sanction,” he said. Froome’s sample contained 2,000 ng/ml of salbutamol, double the limit, although that was then corrected to 1,400 ng/ml when his dehydration was factored in. Having returned that finding, the onus was on him to explain how it happened without taking more than the permitted dose. The British star, as we now know, has been able to satisfy the UCI and WADA that the one adverse sample he returned during that race, when he was tested almost every day, was an anomaly and not a result of taking too many puffs or taking the drug orally or intravenously. This last point is significant as WADA does ban higher dosages of salbutamol taken via those methods, as there is evidence it acts as a stimulant and a muscle-building agent. The problem for WADA, Dr Rabin explained, is that even when you inhale salbutamol 60-70 per cent of it goes into the gastrointestinal tract, as it would if you took it as a pill. This is why WADA’s advice is not to get too close to the dosage limit as doing so would suggest your asthma is out of control and you run the risk of an adverse finding. “In this case, we had several specific elements,” said Dr Rabin. “First, there was a very significant increase in dosage in the preceding days (Froome increased his normal low dosage to a higher but still legal number of puffs to combat worsening symptoms). Second, he was being treated for an infection. “And then there was the physiological impact of the event and other factors, such as dietary supplements and so on. “Given all of this, we decided an excretion study was impossible and the finding was not inconsistent with therapeutic dosages.” The reference to excretion study relates to WADA’s usual requirement in these cases that the athlete replicates what happened in a laboratory. Asked why anyone else in Froome’s position will not use the same arguments, Dr Rabin said people were underestimating how many of these cases occur every year without anyone knowing about them, as was meant to happen in this case, too. “It’s not a unique case but because it was Froome, a sporting celebrity, and it was put in the limelight, it appears to be unique,” he said. “We deal with all cases on an individual basis and I have personally dealt with several in the past. Yes, there are elements of this case that are fairly unusual but I can assure you it is not unique.” Stressing that the rules are “for everyone”, Dr Rabin said that WADA would send the details of the case to its experts for review, as it does after every significant case. “But for now, we have no reason to question the rules,” he said. And on whether WADA should prepare itself for appeals, he said: “That is more of a legal issue than a science question but, again, each case is different and we can see no reason that previous cases have not been handled fairly.” Tillegg: Glemte å legge på Matt Slater som kilde da jeg postet denne.
Redigert av Valentino; 03/07/2018 12:21. Rediger grunn: La til kilde
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Re: Å faen, Froome + Johnsrud Sundby i samme dopingbåt
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You are what you eat...mmm nuts
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